
[Podcast #344] Courageous Divorce: An Interview with Alisha Roth
What happens when faith, prayer, endurance, and every “right” effort still do not make a marriage safe?
In this brave and deeply honest conversation, we talk with Alisha Roth, author of Courageous Divorce, about young marriage, religious expectations, abuse, motherhood, homeschooling, community loss, and the difficult clarity that can come when a woman finally listens to her own body and life.
Together, we explore divorce not as failure, but as a serious boundary, sometimes the one that makes healing, safety, forgiveness, and a more honest future possible.
Listen in for a tender conversation about faith, courage, and choosing to truly live.
Show Notes
When Divorce Becomes a Boundary
What happens when you do all the “right” things and the relationship still isn’t safe?
You pray. You read the books. You go to counseling. You choose your words carefully. You try to be patient, forgiving, generous, faithful. You tell yourself that every marriage is hard. You remind yourself that your children need a family. You try again.
And then one day, your body tells the truth before your mind can bear to.
We’ve heard from so many women who know this story from the inside. They were raised to believe that marriage was a sacred container, that endurance was maturity, that self-sacrifice was love, and that divorce represented failure. For women formed by religious communities, the pressure can be even stronger. Stay. Submit. Forgive. Pray harder. Protect the marriage. Protect the family. Protect the story everyone else wants to believe.
But what protects the woman?
That question matters.
A marriage cannot be healed by one person’s devotion alone. No amount of careful language, spiritual discipline, emotional labor, or maternal effort can make an unsafe relationship safe if the other person refuses accountability. A woman can contort herself for years trying to become gentle enough, quiet enough, faithful enough, forgiving enough, only to discover that the problem was never her lack of effort.
Sometimes the most honest act is to stop pretending that endurance is the same as health.
Divorce is often described as an ending, and of course it is. It changes homes, finances, friendships, holidays, family rhythms, and the story you thought you were living. It can bring grief, confusion, fear, and loneliness. It can expose how fragile some communities are when a woman tells the truth about her life.
But divorce can also be a boundary.
A strong one. A serious one. A boundary that says: this level of intimacy is not safe. This arrangement is not healthy. This proximity is causing harm. Something has to change.
That framing can be clarifying. A boundary is not revenge. It is not bitterness. It is not a refusal to forgive. A boundary names reality. It creates distance where distance is needed. It may even make compassion more possible because the person who was being harmed is no longer trapped inside the harm.
For mothers, the decision can feel especially agonizing. We may worry about what divorce will do to our children. We may fear losing the life we built around homeschooling, shared meals, read-alouds, rhythms, and traditions. We may wonder whether choosing our own safety means taking something precious away from them.
But children are not only shaped by the presence of two parents in one house. They are shaped by the emotional weather of that house. They are shaped by what gets excused, what gets hidden, what gets normalized, and what gets named.
A mother who chooses truth, safety, and health is teaching something too.
Life after divorce may not look like the life you imagined. It may require creativity. Homeschooling may change shape. Parenting schedules may require flexibility. Holidays may need new traditions. Community may have to be rebuilt from the ground up.
And still, there can be life there.
There can be sleep. There can be laughter. There can be a quiet home. There can be children who adapt. There can be women friends who let you tell the whole truth. There can be work, travel, dating, solitude, courage, and a new relationship with your own body and inner knowing.
There can be a future you did not know you were allowed to want.
The work is not easy, and no one can make the decision for another woman. There are consequences to staying and consequences to leaving. Each person has to reckon with her own life, her own children, her own safety, her own faith, her own truth.
But we want to say this clearly: your well-being matters. Your body matters. Your fear matters. Your clarity matters. Your life is not merely the support structure for someone else’s story.
You are allowed to live.
Resources
- Visit Alisha Roth’s website at Alisharoth.com
- Alisha’s Instagram: @littlewomenfarmhouse
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Looking for Wonder
Have you noticed wonder recently? It shows up with a spark in your child’s eyes or a glimmer in their smile. And it melts your heart.
You might see it when they catch that first whiff of warm cookies floating their way. Or when they’re reading a book, or watching a movie, or observing wildlife at the birdfeeder. Even while they’re playing a video game!
It happens in a flash, and, before you know it, they’re poring over a new passion.
How can you cultivate that curiosity so learning can take root and sprout?
Spoiler alert
Children are more likely to make meaningful connections when we aren’t marking things off a checklist.
You have the freedom to hold a desired outcome gently and allow skill-building to happen naturally as your learner is immersed in life.
Yes, we are learning. But we are also growing robust human beings.
What a gift. What an honor!




















