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More about Talking and Writing

The relationship between talking and writing

A Brave Writer mom writes:

Hi Julie,

Thanks for this post. I am challenged to give my children full attention talk time. I am always DOING something while they are talking. I am not sure what they’d do if I stopped and looked them and in the eye!

I found the post interesting as it relates to me though. I feel that I am better able to express myself through the written word. For me, the opposite of what you’ve described seems to be true. When I have let the words come out through my fingers and onto the page, I am a much more confident talker later on. After writing, I have a better idea of how I feel, what I think, what’s important. In fact, I’d like to see how improved writing could improve my abilities as a conversationalist.

Let’s talk (I mean write!) about this.

When I say that talking helps kids write, I mean it. But I want to acknowledge that:

Writing helps us think better than talking.

It is perfectly natural and right that when you want to figure out what you really think about a topic, writing is more likely to draw it from you than talking or chatting. A good conversation with a supportive listener can have a similar effect, but the truth is, there is something about putting those words down onto a page where you can sit back and reread or observe them that causes you to identify the thread, the thought, the idea in its concrete form more effectively than chatting or talking.

So I want you to know I agree with you. That fact (that writing leads to clarity of thinking) is what has made me a chronic journal-keeper and now blogger for my entire life. It’s what made me love essay writing and research papers. It’s why I tend to take notes when I listen to a great talk or seminar. I recognize that my ideas become more crystallized when I write.

Talking and Writing

So what did I mean, then, that
talking leads to better writing in kids?

Here’s the subtle nuance I want to emphasize. Before a child feels fluent in the mechanics of writing, before a child has had success with writing to the degree that he or she discovers the magic and power of the written word to unveil that next layer of insight, talking is the means by which a person develops a vocabulary of personal value. In other words, talking is the primary mechanism that establishes “writer’s voice.” Conversation, reporting, sharing, narrating all lead to a growing confidence and competence in language – the very stuff that will lead to more satisfying writing, more ease in writing eventually… which will then lead to better thinking.

To nurture that development as your children share, then, you will:

  • listen,
  • reflect back,
  • mirror and support the development of speech.

You’ll notice their flourishes, their senses of humor, their attention to detail, their surprising word choices and your job is to affirm these.

When they go to write, perhaps you will even remind them of that “so funny thing they just said at dinner” to include in the writing. You might jot down their words as they fly out of their mouths for them (and naturally this will happen when you are nursing the baby and making dinner at the same time). If you can “catch your child in the act of thinking” (i.e. talking) and capture the words on paper, you’ve given your child a huge headstart in the writing process. Suddenly that natural voice, those easy to find words are available for writing! Such a relief!

As you support that process, you are actually giving your child a chance to see just how connected the interior life, conversation, and writing really are: which is the strange and magical mix that informs all good writing.

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Why Talking is So Important to Writing

Why talking is so important to writing

We want words, lots of them, churned out on reassuring sheets of lined paper, with curlicue cursive ‘r’s and proper punctuation reflecting both the demands of syntax and emotion. When the words fail, we try to coax them out.

What sometimes gets missed in this process is the power of talking. Speaking leads to writing more than any other skill. Getting words formed in the head and then out through the mouth leads to better writing. It doesn’t even matter if they are organized or concise or logical. What matters is the process of dredging them up, giving them room to develop in the mind and then speaking them through the lips by way of the tongue.

Writers make as many words available to themselves as possible. They do this by reading and speaking, speaking and reading… and then writing. There’s a powerful imitation process that gets worked out through talking too. Writers are likely to test new words in conversation before making them a part of their writing vocabularies.

I’m reminded of Jon (my husband) when he’s learning a new language. He has this endearing habit of adopting a new word and using it before he actually knows what it means. He tosses it out in conversation with a native to see the effect it has. He plays with it, attaches it to other words and behaviors. For instance, when we were in Italy three summers ago, he overheard an Italian man say to a woman “Ciao bella.” He could tell from the delivery it had something to do with a greeting or a good-bye but wasn’t entirely sure if it was formal, informal, or even strictly personal and intimate. Yet undeterred, at the next opportunity, he paid for his cappuccino and then winked at the middle-aged barista and declared, “Ciao Bella!” She burst out laughing, patted his arm several times and erupted into more Italian.

Caitrin, picking up on this habit, will often mimic actors and their lines, testing them in conversation for effect. Jacob will ask us if he’s using a word properly when he encounters a new one.

But even these strategies are only part of growing as a writer. Being able to talk to an adult in a supportive, nurturing space increases competence in articulation, in putting words together, that will lead to effective writing later. To support that process, think of these principles when you talk with your kids.

  • Find time to give eye-contact and focused attention. Kids talk better and more if the audience is actually interested. You can give the best level of interest by hearing a story or talking with your child without distractions (not cooking dinner, not cleaning, not shopping). Driving seems to be okay, though, and often leads to some of the best conversations.
  • Involve yourself in the interests of your child. Let your child teach you how to play a game on the Wii, or learn how to shoot baskets, or draw together while your child talks to you about art. Find a way for you to be in the role of “learner” and let your child sort through the vocabulary and sequence of events or practices to help you learn it.
  • Talk about language. When you watch a Shakespeare movie or read a novel or notice a clever billboard, take time to discuss the words themselves, the effects they create, the nuances they reveal. Make words cough up their secret and share these with your kids. Even ask them to see what is funny or clever or insightful about the wording of whatever source.
  • Discuss important things. Trust your kids to tackle big topics with you (according to their ages). Draw them into discussions about ideas like justice, compassion, racism, poverty, space, nature, human and animal rights, education, going green, neighborliness, death, birth, materialism, power, war, punishments and crime, and so on.
  • Don’t shush your kids. It’s easy to want to turn them off when they get rolling on another narration of level 4 of Super Smash Brothers Brawl. I understand. Still, you need to make space for the repetitions, for the meandering so that they can sort it out. If the words stay in their heads, they don’t grow as writers as easily.

So get talking! Snacks help unleash words, too, if you have children who are more reticent to share.


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Rounding third, heading for home

It’s that time of the year out here in Ohio. School is almost finished and homeschool feels like it’s in another whole gear. I remember when my kids were younger I used to say: I follow a curriculum in the fall, take a Charlotte Mason approach in January and by March, we’re fully unschooling! There’s this breaking apart, entropy, sunshine (!) that drive us from the kitchen table to the big world outdoors. We’re sick of the habits and want nothing but surprises and the zoo, birds flirting and blossoms busting open their petals.

So this is your permission slip. Get out of the house. Here are ten things to do:

  1. Kick the soccer ball with your kids. Set up impromptu goals like between the fence posts and those two trees.
  2. Walk in a creek. Roll up your pants and get your feet cold and wet. Don’t forget to bring towels and dry socks.
  3. Visit the zoo or local botanical gardens. Take advantage of the bulbs blooming and go see them.
  4. Take your tea time outside! Either picnic on the ground or set up a table.
  5. Hike in a nature center or local park area. Bring field guides.
  6. Have a skipping contest. (Did you know some kids have to be taught how to skip? Now’s a great time to teach them. Jumping rope is also a great outdoor activity that sometimes we forget about.)
  7. Write poems with colored chalk on the driveway. (Or simply jot down “already-written” poems.)
  8. Write letters to grandmas and walk to a mailbox or post office to mail them.
  9. Plant new flowers or seeds.
  10. Take lunch to dad at work and eat it at a picnic table.

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Email round-up: Praise and Research Papers

Email Q&A

Praise for Brave Writer

Julie-
First, my children and I just finished the Kidswrite Basic class with Jean Hall… Thank you so much for making these classes available. My children didn’t turn out marvelously witty or poignant works, but they did write something and without too much complaining and they learned that they CAN write. And that is with suffering from the flu for most of the class. I no longer fear teaching them writing… I just have to figure out what kind of assignments to give them.

Second, I’ve always thought canned writing programs were fluff and the assignments were drivel…but it wasn’t until I found your website and read The Writer’s Jungle that I realized others felt the same way. Most of the other homeschool moms I’ve talked with have looked at me as if I’d lost my mind but I know what works for my family. Since I discovered your website last summer, we have incorporated into our school routine Teatime Tuesdays (my 4-year old’s MOST favorite part of the week), Friday Freewrites, and this May we are taking your One Thing Workshop: Shakespeare… We (well, I) can’t wait. Thank you so much for inspiring me to make the most of the time I have with my children, learn to love writing, and only focus on one thing at a time!

Laura

Answer:

Thanks Laura for sharing with us. I’m so glad you have begun this journey one thing at a time.

–Julie

Question about research papers:

Hi Julie,

I really value & trust your opinion & wonder if you have a chance to answer a quick question for me. At what age would you recommend having a child do a research paper? My son will be 12 next school year. We do a copywork/dictation passage each week (courtesy of you next year) & also a creative writing assignment each week. At what age should I begin thinking about research papers?

Kim in Venice, FL

Answer:

Hi Kim.

I have lots of thoughts about research papers. First of all, it’s not possible for a 12-year-old to actually write one. He may be able to write a long report (which is usually what is meant by the term “research paper” when you read about them at the junior high level). A long report means that your child will study a subject using multiple sources and will then compile and paraphrase the information into his own words. He’ll organize the material by sub-head (subject heading). At the end, he’ll include some type of bibliography that itemizes his sources.

Just to be clear. That kind of writing is not a research paper. A research paper takes a specific point of view about a topic (a thesis-based paper) that is controversial (or at minimum, that provokes a counter-argument). These papers engage the academic community. What that means is that the papers are analyzing the academic work done by experts in the field. Students (particularly those who are in high school or who are college undergraduates) attempt to synthesize and analyze those arguments by taking a risky position, paraphrasing and understanding the arguments made by the experts, and then bringing something of their own insight and perspective to bear on those arguments (either agreeing or disagreeing or nuancing the positions). They use multiple sources (usually the rule of thumb is that you will have consulted the equivalent of one source per page based on the total length of the paper – so 15 sources for a 15 page paper).

For a 12-year-old, writing a long-ish report is fine. But don’t call it a research paper. I have a chapter in The Writer’s Jungle called “The Dreaded Elementary School Report” that gives blow-by-blow steps of how to put one together that doesn’t drain the soul-life from your child. Most reports are tediously long, encourage flat-footed writing and kill anything resembling peaceful writing relations between parent and child (or teacher). The main benefit of the “long-ish” report is that your child learns how to use the library’s computer catalog system, sorts information into categories and learns how to make a little bibliography at the end. All of these can be achieved without writing a report, but if you are set on writing one, then exploit the experience for these aims rather than thinking about it in terms of “quality writing instruction.” Make sure that you keep the writing portion of the process to a minimum.

For the record, two of my five kids have written elementary school reports. Our ratio of how we organized our time: many months of reading and research and about a week of writing. 🙂 None so far has written a research paper before college. Jon and I have worked with our high schoolers (three of them) on crafting solid, 4-6 page essays. They are all very good at these now. When the older two went off to college and had to write longer papers (what would technically be called a research or term paper), they were both able to do it! They just expanded the essay format, lengthened the depth of their analysis for each of their points and voila! Research papers.

So I think the “research paper” as an academic goal before college is overblown. What we really want isn’t the ability to string together enough words for 15 pages. We want to cultivate rhetorical thinking and the skills of analysis in writing. We want to expose our kids to multiple points of view about a topic and teach them how to critically think about those viewpoints and how to offer their own. Most junior high kids aren’t mentally mature enough to do that kind of thinking yet. But in high school, kids are. Tackle that skill then and research papers will take care of themselves in college.

Julie

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Email: What if they don’t like tea, poetry and copywork?

What if they don't like tea, poetry or copywork

Mary, a Brave Writer Mom, expresses a question that deserves its own post:

Hi Julie! Thank you for all your energy, attention and passion you put into Brave Writer. I have been following you and your method for a couple of years. I love the copywork/dictation piece especially. I saw your one-thing workshop too. Every time I read about the benefits of copywork/dicatation I think, ‘Great!, but how?? through osmosis??” I have 3 boys (12,10,8) and they would rather be doing anything but schoolwork or anything that remotely looks like schoolwork. We have gotten into a nice routine and do C/D at least 3 times per week- they don’t like it but do it. Also, we’ve been sharing more poetry about 1x per week (no tea involved, sometimes popcorn or the local bookstore) and again, they ‘just don’t like poetry, sorry mom”.

I feel good about that consistency and just hope that it all pays off in the end. In my more positive moments I look at them blissfully and think what a wonderful life they have; but then in the next moment I am in a panic that I am ruining their chances of happiness and earning a sustainable, independent living.

I felt compelled to write to you and know you understand. Through your blogs you seem so much more confident in the process, I just wish I didn’t fall into the abyss so often.

Would welcome anymore words of wisdom…..

Thank you again!
Mary Grzywinski

Hi Mary.

These are real concerns and I admire your sincere and consistent attempts to make copywork, dictation and poetry meaningful to your boys. Sounds like they have been faithfully following your lead in spite of not loving it. I’d certainly tell them how much you appreciate that!

Since they’ve been at all three for awhile, it may be time to take a break. Perhaps you can “turn the tables” and do what they’d love to do three times a week for a bit. Would they prefer to play Quiddler (a wordy card game) or do reverse dictations for awhile? What about just playing board games for a bit: Monopoly, Settlers of Catan, Zooreka? Would they like reading joke books instead of poetry? How about listening to a book on tape at teatime rather than poetry? Maybe they need to get outside, hiking in nature, jotting down birds or plants they see in a list (copywork) rather than holding a book open and copying the words on a page.

One of the things I’ve noticed with my own kids is that while routines comfort me, they become redundant and boring to kids. So I try to break things up. We might go a month or two without any copywork at all after a period of doing copywork nearly daily. I’ve taken a month to do drawing each day instead of any writing. Poetry has always been a favorite here so that hasn’t even been one to drop. However, my older kids had a much stronger passion for Shakespeare than my younger two. So each time I’ve tried to read Shakespeare stories with these two, they just haven’t been interested. So we’ve gone to see plays instead of reading them aloud.

Ask your kids what is missing from their days.

Do they want to flip school upside down? Start the day with videos or computer games and do their handwriting after lunch or in the evening (if that’s a realistic choice for you)? I remember when Noah was little, the babies and toddlers made it hard for him to focus in the mornings. So for a period of time, I did his math with him at night after the little ones were in bed.

Is there something they want to learn or do (whatever that is) that is crowded out by other schoolish activities? Find out what that may be. Sometimes it has its own value that relates to these other goals. Liam created a notebook that had an imaginary island chain in it. Each map had a key and a flag, as well as descriptions of topography, climate, produce and exports. He hated copywork at this time, but was willing to write down about half of these items each time we worked on his island project. I wrote about half the time. We worked on it several times a month for one school year.

The idea here is to keep experimenting with new venues, new options, trusting the overall thrust of your time with your children to be the good that they need.

Remember how critical your kids’ own input is to a successful home education.

There is no law that requires them to do copywork from a book every day. If they don’t love it, minimize it. Give it a good stretch and then a good break. Get involved in their interests – let them teach you how to play pokemon cards or a computer game or how to throw with a lacrosse stick. Learn to knit or build a fire in the fire place from scratch. Go back to jotting down their thoughts for a bit to remind them how valuable those words are to you. Let them keep a list of funny jokes or presents they want for their birthdays as a way to keep writing.

I hope other moms will share ways that they have created some space around practices that their kids don’t love. Each year your kids will present you with new challenges and new opportunities based on their interests and tastes. It takes a lot of love and energy to meet that demand. But I know you can do it. You’re the adult, after all!

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