[Podcast #287] Interesting Conversation with Julie and Melissa

Brave Writer Podcast

Sometimes, the most meaningful conversations aren’t planned—they unfold.

In this week’s Brave Writer podcast episode, we drop in on an unscripted, delightful catch-up between two close friends. From Julie’s recent retreat at Miraval (complete with clay turtles and 7 a.m. birdwatching) to Melissa’s college days giving prairie nature tours, this episode traces the kinds of stories and reflections that surface when we give ourselves time to notice.

We talk about:

  • how naming things builds intimacy,
  • the role of repetition in learning (and music!),
  • and why modeling beeswax might be the best-kept secret in home education.

There are nods to Charlotte Mason, Lynda Barry, roadrunners, rereading A Room with a View, and a clay plaque that simply says “mama.”

Tune in for a rich, meandering conversation about creativity, nature, grief, and the quiet power of doing something more than once.

Show Notes

There are times when what we need most in a learning journey—or in life—is a moment to pause and share stories. This week, we took a break from the usual format to have a good old-fashioned catch-up conversation. What came out was a thread of experiences that, while varied, all seemed to circle around creativity, observation, and connection.

Clay, Creativity, and the Joy of Unfinished Things

Julie recently returned from a retreat where she spent time working with air-dry clay—not to make anything impressive, but simply to feel it in her hands. She sculpted animals, a cactus, and a little plaque that said “mama.” The freedom to create and destroy, to not worry about outcomes, reminded us how powerful it is for kids to explore art in ephemeral ways. Melissa recalled doing beeswax modeling with her kids and noticing how deeply satisfying it was for her as an adult. The sensory experience, the quiet concentration—it wasn’t about performance, just presence.

Birds, Naming, and Noticing

Julie’s birdwatching walk at the retreat opened up a whole new world. From vermilion flycatchers to quails darting across the path, she was reminded of how naming what we see builds intimacy. Melissa chimed in with her own memories of giving nature tours in college, pointing out burrowing owls on the Colorado prairie. When we know what something is called, it becomes part of our world—and that sense of belonging is at the heart of education.

Repetition, Music, and the Rhythm of Learning

We also reflected on repetition—not as a failure to move forward, but as a vital part of how we learn. Melissa mentioned how we don’t question listening to the same music over and over again, yet sometimes worry when kids reread the same book. But repetition is variation’s dance partner. As Julie recalled from a music history professor: all music is built on repetition and surprise. So is learning.

Wandering with Purpose

Whether it’s drawing while listening to music, observing a single tree across the seasons, or returning to the same book or craft again and again, these quiet practices build a deep well of understanding. They invite us to slow down, to notice, and to return—not just to the activity itself, but to the feelings and connections it evokes. In a world that often urges us to move on to the next thing, there’s something profoundly grounding about staying with what we love a little longer. These are the small, sustaining moments where real learning—and real living—take root.

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